other than the use of pinning down defenceless corps for literally months and draining them financially

No. We don't want anything remotely like this in wormhole space. We like not knowing what is on a wormhole. Plus, the amount of covert ops ships that die in wormhole space is already very high. It doesn't need to be any easier.

So I take it that you believe that someone with a bunch of alts sitting cloaked AFK in a bunch of systems is "playing". No, they are doing nothing but ruining this game.... Put a AFK timer in if you want people to actually "play" the game...

But he is detected. Local is reporting that he there, so he not undetected. Sure, he can't be found, but you can do that without cloak. For example, did you know that there are still a few (very few mind you) speed fits out there that allow you to go just fast enough, that by the time a probber has you scanned down and warping to you, you are already off grid, are you going to complain about those as well?

Did you also know that while that cloaker is playing a meta game, or prepping a hot drop fleet, you can be doing the same thing? You could be baiting, and or performing the log off trick.

People make it sound like they are defenseless creatures that can't even rub two brain cells together to get a proper counter or bait running.

and lose nothing from evading.

The consequence of capturing space, guarding and securing it is that it becomes safe. Your industry should profit from those efforts.

Cloaks are broken because any ship in open space should be huntable. Docked or in a POS isnt in open space, yet a cloaked ship is safer than one in a POS.

Cloaks do not balance local. Local is balanced on its own, only player effort makes it powerful, both in proactively clearing systems of hostiles and in getting clear so that the combat wings can do that.

No one is immune to the broken effects of a cloak. There are ways to mitigate it, but that does not stop it crom being a broken mechanic. Its just not as bad as those screaming about afk campers want to claim.

Not at all. However, counter infiltration needs to have a chance at success. Currently it does not, because of broken cloaks. I don't hold the belief that they should not be effective at infiltration and hunting, just that they be as subject to counter tactics as everyone else.

No one signs up to play prey. Bears don't owe you kills for the privilege of playing your PvP game.

Wow this is still going.

Just out of curiousity (too hard to search without the right filter options but i figured someone who cares enough would have a bookmark) but has a Dev EVER replied in one of these threads, one way or another?

To me, all cloaks need are a much larger cap cost, about 1 point shy of unprobable, and to be made mutually exclusive with regular Cynos.

If you had to fit rigs, a few Cap rechargers, and some power diagnostics and shield power relays to keep one active constantly it would still be able to fulfill it's purpose of gathering intel. If it does not fit a regular cyno, then it's threat is unknown, but at least quantifiable enough to warrant it's power. If it had that kind of cap draw then it would not need it's other disadvantages. Most ships would not be able to keep one active all the time, and those that can would either be cheap intel ships or cov-ops.

Not that I am opposed to hearsay, but actual dev posts would be nice. I wish there was a way to search just for dev post in a particular thread topic (maybe there is and i just suck).